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Manchester Attack
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Shocking news with 22 people dead following a terrorist attack!! Thoughts and prayers are with all the victims and their families 

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/manchester-arena-attack-lone-male-suicide-bomber-responsible-as-death-toll-rises-to-22-including-children-35744252.html
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Horrific news...... but i must say im impressed at the response from the ambulance service.... 60 ambulances.... i wonder could ireland respond in a similar way
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#3
Horrible.

As terrible as these events are, to target an event that attracts children manages to be worse .

When will they realise that violence like this does not work
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(23-05-2017, 10:09 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote: Horrific news...... but i must say im impressed at the response from the ambulance service.... 60 ambulances.... i wonder could ireland respond in a similar way

60 ambulances......have we that many across the whole country at night??
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We have f**k all resources at the best of times. But sure let's keep telling ourselves it not likely to happen.
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#6
You might have some hope in Dublin of coping. Any city or large town down the country would be over ran.
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#7
I think there is 100 ish ambulance bases around the country..... so max is 100 ambulances if every ome had one ambulance per base..... but they dont, some have more, so close at night, others close om tuesday etc etc.... you would be waiting for them anyway. Id say within an hour you might get 10? Including icv
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#8
In Dublin we could put 60 paramedics on the scene in minutes. Getting the victims from the scene would  be another matter altogether. The 22 fatalities wouldn't need to be moved until after AGS have finished their preliminary examination of the crime scene. Walking wounded can go on Dublin Bus commandeered vehicles necessary.
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(23-05-2017, 10:09 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote: Horrific news...... but i must say im impressed at the response from the ambulance service.... 60 ambulances.... i wonder could ireland respond in a similar way

(23-05-2017, 04:54 PM)The Gap Wrote: In Dublin we could put 60 paramedics on the scene in minutes. Getting the victims from the scene would  be another matter altogether. The 22 fatalities wouldn't need to be moved until after AGS have finished their preliminary examination of the crime scene. Walking wounded can go on Dublin Bus commandeered vehicles necessary.

60 paramedics from DFB sure, no problem getting paramedics on scene and maybe could muster ~15 ambulances between DFB and HSE to be onsite in <45 minutes. Beyond that nada, voluntaries even after mobilization have a decent lead time still
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(23-05-2017, 06:40 PM)wex-eire Wrote: 60 paramedics from DFB sure, no problem getting paramedics on scene and maybe could muster ~15 ambulances between DFB and HSE to be onsite in <45 minutes. Beyond that nada, voluntaries even after mobilization have a decent lead time still

You are not going to be transporting them all straight away though. The most serious would be prioritised and transported first and then the ambulance can return. I'm sure the ICV's would be utilised for the less serious allowing transport of two stretchers.
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#11
UK threat level increased to critical, meaning they believe another attack is imminent.
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#12
When making comparisons with assets it is worth remembering that Greater Manchester has a population of 2.7million, with other similar sized cities just under an hour away (Leeds (2.3million), Liverpool (450000), Sheffield (1.5million).
This why they can produce 60 ambulances within an hour.
The issue that would concern me more is our eagerness to put major event centres away from high density public transport routes, instead placing them in the middle of built up areas.
The Manchester Arena is opposite Victoria Station, and exists on to trinity way, wich encircles the city in the same way the M50 would.
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(23-05-2017, 06:40 PM)wex-eire Wrote:
(23-05-2017, 10:09 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote: Horrific news...... but i must say im impressed at the response from the ambulance service.... 60 ambulances.... i wonder could ireland respond in a similar way

(23-05-2017, 04:54 PM)The Gap Wrote: In Dublin we could put 60 paramedics on the scene in minutes. Getting the victims from the scene would  be another matter altogether. The 22 fatalities wouldn't need to be moved until after AGS have finished their preliminary examination of the crime scene. Walking wounded can go on Dublin Bus commandeered vehicles necessary.

60 paramedics from DFB sure, no problem getting paramedics on scene and maybe could muster ~15 ambulances between DFB and HSE to be onsite in <45 minutes. Beyond that nada, voluntaries even after mobilization have a decent lead time still


What about the medical corp of the defence forces? How many ambulances have they in the city or the likes of Guinness or other large companies with ambulances
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#14
I see what seems to be world war three breaking out in the FBU pages in the UK.
Senior Fire Officers refused to deploy any fire service resource at the incident. It was over 90 mins before the first appliance was permitted to respond.
Fire fighters in Manchester Central have reported that paramedics called to the door of the fire station requested them to assist...
Management have cited "health and safety reasons" for the response time.....

Central Fire Station Manchester is 1km from the Manchester Arena.
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#15
A major incident wad declared and they didn't send assistance.. someone should be sacked for that
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#16
Based on that and other stories over the last 12-18 months it doesn't sound like one of the better Fire Services to work in, to say the least.
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(23-05-2017, 04:54 PM)The Gap Wrote: In Dublin we could put 60 paramedics on the scene in minutes. Getting the victims from the scene would  be another matter altogether. The 22 fatalities wouldn't need to be moved until after AGS have finished their preliminary examination of the crime scene. Walking wounded can go on Dublin Bus commandeered vehicles necessary.

that true Gap but we dont have 60 responder bags, one per appliance and maybe at a push one full one on the ambulance and absolutely no way to access replacement equipment especially after 6pm. paramedic may as well be a bystander if they have no gear.
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#18
That's true.. we did have a major incident pod once which was packed full of kit but it, like so many others rotted away and there's no hope of getting anything resembling an EMS support vehicle now.
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A meeting to assess the terrorism threat faced by the State and the measures the Republic could take to counter it will be held on Thursday, Taoiseach Enda Kenny has told the Dáil.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtim...mode%3Damp


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(24-05-2017, 06:34 PM)pogan Wrote: A meeting to assess the terrorism threat faced by the State and the measures the Republic could take to counter it will be held on Thursday, Taoiseach Enda Kenny has told the Dáil.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtim...mode%3Damp


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