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Manchester Attack
#21
I'd love to see the Chiefs/Officers/Bosses of Irish Emergency Services stand up and actually tell the government that the whole thing is going to be 110% of a clusterfuck if the shit ever hits the fan here.

But we all know that won't happen....
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#22
They'll never do that. They'd be admitting they've been lying for decades. Ministers would also lose the plausible deniability defence too.
We trained hard ... but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization.
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#23
There should be one national control centre for all the services. On a massive site with a back up base in a different location. Should be one CAD system in operation which should be inter linked with each agency. Also the 999 service based there and they act as call takers entering the calls.
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#24
Ah will you stop.. you can't talk sense like that in this country.
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#25
Luckily the Chiefs won't have to answer any questions at all. Justice, Defence, Health and Transport are the departments attending today's meeting.
Obviously bus conductors are more critical in a major emergency than firefighters. Or maybe they wanted Station Officers and someone got confused between train stations and fire stations.
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#26
(25-05-2017, 10:33 AM)willcork Wrote: Luckily the Chiefs won't have to answer any questions at all. Justice, Defence, Health and Transport are the departments attending today's meeting.
Obviously bus conductors are more critical in a major emergency than firefighters. Or maybe they wanted Station Officers and someone got confused between train stations and fire stations.
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what meeting is that
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#27
Manchester Mayor & FBU question GMFRS 90-minute turnout to attacks

The Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham is considering ordering an independent review into decisions made by fire brigade managers on the night of the Manchester terror attack.

Manchester Evening News is reporting that firefighters are infuriated after they were prevented from responding to the scene for up to 90 minutes after the 10.33 attack.

The regional control centre for Greater Manchester Fire and Rescue Service GMFRS issued two pre-alerts to firefighters at Central Station shortly after the incident and the crew prepared to turn-out to the incident, they were told to remain on standby at Philips Park station.

One firefighter told the Manchester Evening News that fire crews waited for an hour while their colleagues in the North West Ambulance Service assisted Police at the arena following the incident.

GMFRS were waiting for ‘specialists’ in bulletproof overalls to arrive from Leigh and Heywood before being sent back to Manchester Central before five fire appliances were mobilised to the scene, however, according to the firefighter, ‘by then all of the dangerous work of entering the blasted Arena foyer to tend to badly hurt and dying victims had been done’.

Greater Manchester Mayor, Andy Burnham said “I am aware of concerns from firefighters about the speed of the response to the terror attack at the Manchester Arena on Monday night. I am taking these concerns seriously and, at the appropriate time, they will be subject to a full evaluation and briefing but they have to be seen in context. Large numbers of highly-trained professionals were on site within minutes providing support to people. I could not be more proud of all of Greater Manchester’s emergency services who have gone to incredible lengths to carry the city through this dark time.”

Gary Keary, Brigade Secretary of the Fire Brigades Union said: “We have had a meeting with the County Fire Officer and we have raised initial concerns which will be included in a joint investigation.”

The meeting was attended by the County Chief Fire Officer Peter O’ Reilly and Matt Wrack, national leader of the FBU.

Mr Burnham has asked people not to jump to conclusions in this moment when Manchester was still coming to terms with what has happened. ‘What we can say is that this was an extremely serious, fast moving situation and the full nature of it did not become clear for a number of hours. In coming weeks, we will have to understand what decisions were made and why.’

http://emergencytimes.com/manchester-may...o-attacks/
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#28
60 ambos we would be pushed. There's 19 ambulances on days in the old MW area, 16 at night & that's spread across 3 counties. Heard yesterday the vols are no longer part of the NAS Majex plan. Don't know if it's true or not. Sure Hall has been all over FB the last 3 days stating that Lifeline should be part of the plan as he has 30 vehicles in the country out on daily basis & that at times he has double the capacity of the DFB in Dublin ??
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#29
(27-05-2017, 03:56 PM)irish medic Wrote: 60 ambos we would be pushed. There's 19 ambulances on days in the old MW area, 16 at night & that's spread across 3 counties. Heard yesterday the vols are no longer part of the NAS Majex plan. Don't know if it's true or not. Sure Hall has been all over FB the last 3 days stating that Lifeline should be part of the plan as he has 30 vehicles in the country out on daily basis & that at times he has double the capacity of the DFB in Dublin ??

Not a fan of Hall's but does he have a point? The privates could respond a lot quicker than the voluntary during the daytime. I'd imagine quicker at nighttime too.
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#30
id worry that hall would want something for being part of the plan and i dont just mean being paid for the vehicles and staff used.
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#31
I'd go one further and say if they're not part of the HSE plan they definitely should be (not that anyone seems to have actually ever seen a HSE MEP).
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#32
@vidar, to quote him he said "no charge if called out to a major disaster".

@foreign, I think he's artificially inflating his own number of resources. Definitely they couldn't supply that at night.
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#33
(27-05-2017, 07:15 PM)irish medic Wrote: @foreign, I think he's artificially inflating his own number of resources. Definitely they couldn't supply that at night.

No, but every extra ambulance is to be welcomed. We them and Medicall both in Dublin I'd imagine they could have decent resources on the ground within an hour.

Obviously outside Dublin still lacks numbers and response time would increase. It would be interesting to see a real staged emergency called. Rather than the usual sitting around the corner waiting for the planned exercise. Even they are non existent for AGS.
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#34
12 ambulances on the scene within twenty minutes.
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#35
(27-05-2017, 03:56 PM)irish medic Wrote: 60 ambos we would be pushed. There's 19 ambulances on days in the old MW area, 16 at night & that's spread across 3 counties. Heard yesterday the vols are no longer part of the NAS Majex plan. Don't know if it's true or not. Sure Hall has been all over FB the last 3 days stating that Lifeline should be part of the plan as he has 30 vehicles in the country out on daily basis & that at times he has double the capacity of the DFB in Dublin ??

Voluntaries are still part of the plan AFAIK, defined lines of communication in place for call outs, alongside procedures etc and a JVCC (Joint Voluntary Control Centre). OMAC and St John rolling out Tetra currently to units to funded by DoH with a key driver being major incident and emergency planning. Also in an incident i'd imagine the privates would be required to do their contracted work - i.e. transfers to make space for the influx of patients to hospitals
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