London Fire

Interesting chat with the LFB Commissioner.

Quote:London fire brigade boss: ‘It was a massive risk, but it’s our job to go in’
Dany Cotton had to decide to send her team into the blazing Grenfell Tower. She tells how the action saved many lives but left colleagues traumatised
Dany Cotton is used to receiving bad news in the small hours. As commissioner of the London fire brigade, she is one of three senior officers on the brigade’s rota who will answer a call alerting them to a major incident.
Last Tuesday night it was Cotton’s turn on rota. She was six months into her job running the country’s largest fire service and had almost three decades as a firefighter under her belt. But nothing prepared her for the horrors of the ensuing hours.
“Just from hearing the initial messages, I wanted to get on the road and get there as soon as possible. I live in Kent, a fair old way away. I took the details, got a postcode, got in my car and drove on a blue light (which allowed her to drive at speed to the fire).
“When I arrived I got out of my car and looked up at Grenfell Tower. My first thought was that it looked like something out of a disaster movie, like something that could never happen in London.”
As she had made her way to west London, Cotton, 48, had been listening to her brigade radio, which was transmitting messages between the control room and the fire ground, trying to form a picture of what awaited her. When she saw the blazing tower, any hope she had that loss of life would be avoided was extinguished.
“Sometimes we have buildings that are under refurbishment, that are covered in scaffolding and netting, and when [these] catch fire it looks dramatic and everything blazes, but it doesn’t affect the flats. But I thought, ‘These are actually premises on fire,’ and it was a truly shocking moment, looking at that for the first time.”
Three months into her job as a firefighter and still a teenager, she had attended the 1988 Clapham Junction train crash in which 35 people died. “That was shocking for me. I was so new – I’d never seen anything like it. But this was shocking because I understood the severity of it very quickly. I could see while I was putting my fire gear on that there were people in there and there was going to be a loss of life.”
There was another crucial distinction. “This was a developing incident. The Clapham train crash had happened and we were dealing with an aftermath. Grenfell Tower was an ongoing and worsening situation.”
The background to the Grenfell catastrophe will become apparent in the public inquiry and Cotton is restricted from talking about the incident itself. But on the night it became clear that she and the commander on the ground had to make a vital call very early on: did the gravity of the unfolding tragedy mean that the usual protocol should be abandoned?
In extreme situations such as Grenfell Tower, the local authority will dispatch a structural surveyor. But in the early hours of the morning one was not immediately available and Cotton had to make urgent decisions about whether to commit firefighters in the absence of that formal assessment.
“I did a dynamic risk assessment and we knew we were going to be doing things that were not following our normal procedures. Had we just followed standard fire brigade procedures, we would not have been able to commit firefighters in and conduct the rescues we did.
“That’s very difficult for me. I’m in charge of London fire brigade, and I was committing firefighters into something that was very unknown and very dangerous.
“The assessment I made was that there was saveable life in that building at that time, and it was our job to go in. It was very difficult, it made me feel physically sick, looking at the building and knowing I had a hundred-plus firefighters in the building at any one time.”
The decision almost certainly averted an even greater loss of life. “There was a massive risk to my firefighters, but you balance that against the fact that you join London fire brigade to save people’s lives. We wanted to save as many people as we could. That was the bottom line.”
Cotton had gone into the tower to gain an understanding of the nightmare confronting her colleagues. “I could see the conditions when we went in, the severity of the fire. The debris was raining down on us. I knew I was committing them to an extreme situation, and in those situations things aren’t always predictable and that was very frightening.”
More than 250 firefighters were dispatched to the scene, a near-unprecedented number. “I was aware we were dispatching 40 fire engines, which is one of those things we do once in a blue moon. I’ve done it once before – for the day of the Olympic closing ceremony when a large-scale refuse fire very near a chemical hazards site, only seven miles from the Olympic park, threatened to disrupt the ceremony. Prior to that, the last 40-pump fire was about 1972.”
As she entered the tower’s downstairs lobby, Cotton was struck by her colleagues’ demeanour. “The one thing that was overwhelming for me was the calm professionalism of the firefighters; they were going into something that they knew was extremely difficult and challenging.”
Despite the frenetic pace of activity, Cotton said the fire crews were clear about their roles. “It was very structured. It wasn’t people running into the building. We have officers at different points to do checks, so we know who’s in and who’s out. When they came out they [the firefighters] were excessively tired, they were hot. They were working very hard in difficult conditions, but they wanted to go back in time and time again.
Daylight brought a new appreciation of the unfolding tragedy. “It became increasingly difficult just looking at the building and still knowing there were people in there. The pressure we all felt to keep trying and doing our best was immense.
“I personally went round to loads of my crew. I was just saying, ‘Drink more water, sit in the shade, take your fire gear off, cool yourselves down, get yourself ready to get back in.’ It’s absolutely essential for their ongoing health, to be able to deploy them again.”
It is likely that the horrors of the Grenfell Tower blaze will linger in the minds of the firefighters for years to come. “They did absolutely everything they could to get as many people as possible out, but you can’t help feeling, ‘What if?’ I know we could have done no more, and I genuinely feel if we had tried to do any more we would have risked losing the lives of my firefighters. Before they went off duty, they were all spoken to individually by a counsellor and they’ve all had follow-up phone calls. When they are back on duty next week they will have access to a counsellor, and my own in-house counselling team is being reinforced by officer support from the NHS and other fire and rescue services – there are a lot of people who need a lot of help.”
Cotton said she had been buoyed by the response of the public, who have taken to cheering fire engines passing them in the street – testimony, she says, to the courage and professionalism of her colleagues.
“In my first six months of doing this job, we’ve had two terrorist incidents and now this. And time and time again my staff step up and are immense in their response, and it just makes me so proud.”

The Guardian - Home of the real emergency service personnel.

She's proving popular. Ive read some comments comparing her (so far) to Joe Milner for her proactive approach and willingness to engage with her staff. He is considered the last, great Chief of the London Fire Brigade.

We are the willing, led by the unknowning, doing the impossible, for the ungrateful.

She's not half as popular as her deputy commissioner. At least in terms of popular pin ups.
Dr. Sabrina Cohen Hatton, deputy commissioner and MMA fighter.

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are filled with doubts while the stupid people are full of confidence...

LFB Commissioner Dany Cotton up at the enquiry today. - Home of the real emergency service personnel.

<p>So from the initial reports, fault firmly at the door of LFB for their response at the Grenfell fire.<The "Stay Put" policy pretty well filleted by the chairman of the inquiry -">Sir Martin described the "stay put" advice as an "article of faith within the LFB so powerful that to depart from it was to all intents and purposes unthinkable" >He also said her evidence "betrayed an unwillingness to confront the fact that by 2017 the LFB knew (even if she personally did not) that there was a more than negligible risk of a serious fire in a high rise building with a cladding system".

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are filled with doubts while the stupid people are full of confidence...

Blame the LFB even though it was Tory local Govt who approved the cladding which was by then known to fuel, rather than prevent fire.
Blame the LFB and not the Tory Govt who systematically reduced numbers of appliances and staff in "certain areas" of London.
Blame the LFB, and not its leadership who have since moved on to their next Tory funded Quango.

Imagine if an inquiry on 9/11 had started by criticising the response of the FDNY?
Imagine if the Stardust Tribunal first decided to criticise the response of the DFB?


<p>I don’t disagree but that doesn’t excuse&nbsp;the fact that certain actions were within the remit of the LFB.</p><p>They made the decision not to evacuate and not only that they ignored the blindingly obvious when it was apparent that this plan wasn’t working and kept telling people to stay in place when they knew they couldn’t reach them.</p><p>Their own control centre were fielding calls and didn’t pass information to the scene.</p><p>And the criticism of CFO Cotton was valid, her comments were appalling, arrogant and typical of the mindset where organizations are so cock sure that they’re right that they ignore the obvious to the detriment of everyone.</p><p>Remember this wasn’t the first time in recent years they had such a fire, they had numerous multistory fires with fatalities and ignored what they should have learnt from those calls, and still didn’t change their policy .</p><p>The government certainly had responsibility and fault in regulation lies with them but the expectation is that&nbsp;&nbsp;a fire brigade will&nbsp;respond and act when lives are at risk.</p><p>Firefighters went above and beyond what was expected of them that night but they were let down by decisions made on the night by the LFB and some of its most senior officers.</p>

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are filled with doubts while the stupid people are full of confidence...

Is Cotton's stance one of if I was in the same position with the same info and not knowing then what is known now she'd do the same? - Home of the real emergency service personnel.

<p>Essentially yes.</p><p><br></p><p>Leaving aside all the valid issues about regulatory failures, and Johnson’s fuck ups&nbsp;while Mayor, there were tactical decisions on the night made by LFB commanders which were simply very poor.&nbsp;</p><p>The fact was that people made 999 calls to the fire brigade begging for rescue and they were told to stay put, never mind that no attempt was made to rescue them but they were told not to even try to self rescue.</p><p>Forgot about every thing else, that in itself should make any fire brigade reassess itself and admit it needs to reevaluate its procedures .</p><p>Dany Cottons statement that she would do&nbsp;nothing different is a very poor reflection on the Chief of one of Europe’s biggest Fire and Rescue ( ??? ) Services.</p>

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are filled with doubts while the stupid people are full of confidence...

A good read on the incident. - Home of the real emergency service personnel.

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