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Use of Blue lights on duty
#21
Jamie do you mind me asking are you with an ambulance organisation ???


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#22
(27-10-2015, 06:33 AM)Scuba Wrote: I assure you, if I'm responding somewhere as opposed to sitting at the back of a cycle, there will be on ambiguity about what I am doing.

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Brilliant Scuba! And I can vouch for this!!!!


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#23
(27-10-2015, 08:12 AM)EchoNovember85 Wrote: Jamie do you mind me asking are you with an ambulance organisation ???


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Im not EchoNovember85 but I don't see a need for them to have their blues on behind cycles when the Gards are at the front and rear.
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#24
Then I am sorry but you won't be aware of idiots out there who will pay no attention to the cyclists


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And Jamie, very few cycles in this day and age have Garda vehicles at the front for the duration let alone the back.

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Then I am sorry but you won't be aware of idiots out there who will pay no attention to the cyclists


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(26-10-2015, 11:12 PM)Brigade Wrote:
(26-10-2015, 04:31 PM)sprinter22 Wrote: You'd think these things would speak for themselves but apparently a lot of people don't seem to understand that blue lights = emergency. 
Driving behind/infront of a cycle is not an emergency. A fractured arm is not an emergency... You get my point. But there seems to be a lot of cowboys who get overly excited when they're given the keys to an ambulance. I know a couple of these people and they do it far too often. I recall one occasion where a particular person flagged down a garda car and asked for an escort, for a stable not life threatening emergency....and the gardai obliged too!

I don't agree.
Blue lights on a vehicle are commonly used as a visual warning that a hazard exists. Their use is not limited to emergency situations.
If it was they wouldn't be used at checkpoints....

Sorry, I was mainly talking from a voluntary ambulance perspective and didn't think of other ES. I agree if a road needs to be blocked if a cyclist comes off, or there's a very serious hazard then yes blues are a-ok in my book although I've worked countless cycles over the years though and never have blues been used unless it's to respond to somebody falling off. I guess it's a debatable subject, and people will need to use their judgement on making that decision. 

(26-10-2015, 11:54 PM)vidar Wrote: Ah but ambulances are not allowed us an amber becon

(27-10-2015, 12:08 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote:
(26-10-2015, 11:53 PM)Jamie21 Wrote:
(26-10-2015, 04:31 PM)sprinter22 Wrote: You'd think these things would speak for themselves but apparently a lot of people don't seem to understand that blue lights = emergency. 
Driving behind/infront of a cycle is not an emergency. A fractured arm is not an emergency... You get my point. But there seems to be a lot of cowboys who get overly excited when they're given the keys to an ambulance. I know a couple of these people and they do it far too often. I recall one occasion where a particular person flagged down a garda car and asked for an escort, for a stable not life threatening emergency....and the gardai obliged too!

I agree if people see ambulance organisation on blues all the time when are they to know if it's an emergency or not. If they are at the back get a Amber becon like LAS or DAA Fire service R2
Those orange beacons are only for use airside at an Airport and as @vidar states are illegal for use on public roads under the Road Traffic Act.

I never knew orange beacons were not allowed to be used on ambulances, thats really strange and specific. It be good if you could have a few flashy orange lights at the back of an ambulance similar to what you see on those motorway vehicles. Nothing too crazy. 

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#28
Why would we need flashy orange lights on the back of an ambulance?? We have flashy blue lights and they're the best type!
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#29
Was having a chat with a senior officer last week and the subject of blues came up. He informs me that he has a copy of an email which was circulated within the NAS stating that drivers of NAS ambulances were basically on their own of anything happened when they were under blues as blues on an ambulance are in fact not legal.
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(28-10-2015, 12:27 AM)Blackbolt Wrote: Was having a chat with a senior officer last week and the subject of blues came up. He informs me that he has a copy of an email which was circulated within the NAS stating that drivers of NAS ambulances were basically on their own of anything happened when they were under blues as blues on an ambulance are in fact not legal.

Hmmm but it's in black and white.... maybe he is referring to the insurance aspect.... if you are driving you are only covered 3rd party... ie if you crash you can't claim as you were driving... but I'm led to believe this is a state claims agency thing.... so affects all public service vehicles?

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(28-10-2015, 12:41 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote:
(28-10-2015, 12:27 AM)Blackbolt Wrote: Was having a chat with a senior officer last week and the subject of blues came up. He informs me that he has a copy of an email which was circulated within the NAS stating that drivers of NAS ambulances were basically on their own of anything happened when they were under blues as blues on an ambulance are in fact not legal.

Hmmm but it's in black and white.... maybe he is referring to the insurance aspect.... if you are driving you are only covered 3rd party... ie if you crash you can't claim as you were driving... but I'm led to believe this is a state claims agency thing.... so affects all public service vehicles?

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Oh I know its in black and white mate, you seem to have overlooked the two most telling words in what I said 22
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(28-10-2015, 11:24 AM)Blackbolt Wrote:
(28-10-2015, 12:41 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote:
(28-10-2015, 12:27 AM)Blackbolt Wrote: Was having a chat with a senior officer last week and the subject of blues came up. He informs me that he has a copy of an email which was circulated within the NAS stating that drivers of NAS ambulances were basically on their own of anything happened when they were under blues as blues on an ambulance are in fact not legal.

Hmmm but it's in black and white.... maybe he is referring to the insurance aspect.... if you are driving you are only covered 3rd party... ie if you crash you can't claim as you were driving... but I'm led to believe this is a state claims agency thing.... so affects all public service vehicles?

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Oh I know its in black and white mate, you seem to have overlooked the two most telling words in what I said 22

But it's not just when on blues... its all times when driving. I assume it's the same for AGS and the Fire Service (not that ye go anywhere not on blues ) ha ha I know. . But there is some truth/fact in his statement just not a lot! :D

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(28-10-2015, 12:41 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote:
(28-10-2015, 12:27 AM)Blackbolt Wrote: Was having a chat with a senior officer last week and the subject of blues came up. He informs me that he has a copy of an email which was circulated within the NAS stating that drivers of NAS ambulances were basically on their own of anything happened when they were under blues as blues on an ambulance are in fact not legal.

Hmmm but it's in black and white.... maybe he is referring to the insurance aspect.... if you are driving you are only covered 3rd party... ie if you crash you can't claim as you were driving... but I'm led to believe this is a state claims agency thing.... so affects all public service vehicles?

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But why would you need anything other than 3rd party ? You don't own the vehicle so you wouldn't be at any loss ????
Don't know if the NAS is covered under Irish Public Mutual Bodies who cover local authorities but I can assure you every single scratch and broken light on ours is claimed and paid for by IPMB.
And BB, I'd say that's the usual hokum, half truths and yarns spun by our crowd.
Usually because there's some agenda to be set!
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are filled with doubts while the stupid people are full of confidence...
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#34
(28-10-2015, 07:24 PM)Brigade Wrote:
(28-10-2015, 12:41 AM)coastguardsteve Wrote:
(28-10-2015, 12:27 AM)Blackbolt Wrote: Was having a chat with a senior officer last week and the subject of blues came up. He informs me that he has a copy of an email which was circulated within the NAS stating that drivers of NAS ambulances were basically on their own of anything happened when they were under blues as blues on an ambulance are in fact not legal.

Hmmm but it's in black and white.... maybe he is referring to the insurance aspect.... if you are driving you are only covered 3rd party... ie if you crash you can't claim as you were driving... but I'm led to believe this is a state claims agency thing.... so affects all public service vehicles?

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But why would you need anything other than 3rd party ? You don't own the vehicle so you wouldn't be at any loss ????
Don't know if the NAS is covered under Irish Public Mutual Bodies who cover local authorities but I can assure you every single scratch and broken light on ours is claimed and paid for by IPMB.
And BB, I'd say that's the usual hokum, half truths and yarns spun by our crowd.
Usually because there's some agenda to be set!
I'm less worried about the vehicle and more worried about myself and any injuries I may sustain. If you are driving you aren't covered for injuries etc.

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#35
But comprehensive insurance doesn't pay out any injuries to the driver anyway...
If you are injured at work wether you're driving a vehicle or not, and you're not at fault you have to claim from whoever is at fault.
Even if you are injured at work, as it is now transpiring under Landsdowne and Haddington Road agreements, you only get standard sick pay and go to the courts otherwise.
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#36
Would love to see that email purporting to be from NAS management. All NAS vehicle are covered by the State Claims Agency.
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#37
Hang on a sec, nas drivers can't claim from nas for a crash?

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#38
No we can't. I was t boned whilst responding to a 999 call last November. Driver blew a stop sign, hit us, sou d his car around & into a wall of a pub. Force of the impact forced us across to the other side of the road. Long story short was I was our of work for 3 months on a sliding reduced salary & no I can't claim off the NAS. Had to go after the guy that hit us privately & initiate a claim against him.
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#39
But was that because the NAS had no responsibility? I don't understand why you can't sue your employer if they are at fault in some way?
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#40
Surely when on duty you are insured. Employers liability insurance or whatever its called

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