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Tottenham Riots
#61
(08-08-2011, 09:45 PM)Brigade Wrote: I know it's not right to say it, but shit, I'd lovvvve to get a crack at that big fire they're showing on Sky.
Was just thinking the same thing mate.
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#62
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ebook.html

There very smart criminals posting pictures of themselves on facebook and twitter
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#63
Spreading to Birmingham now according to Sky
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#64
UPDATE 10:35pm:Firefighters are rescuing a looter who has become trapped underneath the steel shutter at PC World and it is believed that another trespasser is trapped inside.

About a dozen firefighters are trying to prize open the shutter and hold back crowds.

UPDATE: 10.45pm: The looters appear to have broken into JD Sports after nearly an hour of attrition against the store's exterior.

Paul Cahalan, Assistant Editor (at the scene): "In a strange development, there seems to be a fight breaking out between two different groups of youths.

"I don't know whether it's about territory, or if thieves have been stealing from each other, but the situation is changing every minute it seems.

"Other than people whizzing by with their loot, there are people standing around drinking and watching it as entertainment."
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#65
Could it spread to over here???

Wouldn't take much for some of the scrotes here to use it as an excuse
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#66
Good point AP, this could give the local scroat community bright ideas.
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#67
(08-08-2011, 11:24 PM)Blackbolt Wrote: Good point AP, this could give the local scroat community bright ideas.


Well the economy over here is in the shite as well as there, yes I know that the shooting was the catalyst but scumbags use any reason for grief. Considering the Love Ulster riots just wondering if there is an air of tension and unease.
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#68
Update: There has been a non fatal shooting of a man in Croyden according to Police
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#69
Just a got local report of car on fire in buttvent GAA pitch that added to ice cream van pursuit... has it started 04
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#70
(08-08-2011, 11:29 PM)pogan Wrote: in buttvent GAA pitch

A hotbed of racial tension.

They really hate the neighbouring parish

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#71
so stay safe mate and fair play you guys are doing a great job and lads lets hope it doesnt start over here :/
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#72
Lads the Met are dealing with an unprecedent level of violence on the streets. The violence and looting are extreme and this must be met with extreme measures. The UK and Ireland enjoy a fairly liberal society but when society degenerates into this level of chaos then you need to take swift decisive action.

I could never see any Irish scrot protesting over something that is a UK problem plus they are too shagging lazy.
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#73
(08-08-2011, 11:37 PM)Paulzx Wrote: A hotbed of racial tension.

They really hate the neighbouring parish

which parish you talking bout??
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#74
Why do I have a feeling that scene commanders are too afraid to give the necessary orders to bring this to a close? You can nearly see the frustration in the eyes of the officers who are told to fall back after chasing a crowd away from one area into the next.

It's a shame that in this day and age it's come down to Public Image as opposed to doing what these boys and girls do best - and that's to maintain the peace and to quell incidents of public disorder.

At least that's all imo. Hopefully the COBRA meeting tomorrow will allow for more freedom in terms of options.
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#75
(09-08-2011, 12:15 AM)ForegoneReality Wrote: Why do I have a feeling that scene commanders are too afraid to give the necessary orders to bring this to a close? You can nearly see the frustration in the eyes of the officers who are told to fall back after chasing a crowd away from one area into the next.

It's a shame that in this day and age it's come down to Public Image as opposed to doing what these boys and girls do best - and that's to maintain the peace and to quell incidents of public disorder.

At least that's all imo. Hopefully the COBRA meeting tomorrow will allow for more freedom in terms of options.

This has been exactly my feeling over the last few hours of watching the events on tv.

At this stage things are so critical surely the priority is getting the job done and forget about political correctness. Obviously, with all the previous prosecutions of police officers from public order incidents there is a fear of repurcussions. This is perfectly understandable.

However, the police are so stretched that at this stage serious measures seem to be called for.

We don't know everything that is going on but i havent seen any pictures of police officers actually striking with their batons yet. Law and order has completely broken down and its time for police management to forget about the do gooder agenda and instruct their offocers to take a hard line.

None of this is a criticism of the coppers. They are chasing their tails at this stage

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#76
I have a question, if a riot is going on would it not be better to put a ring around the riot and keep the scroats in one area so that only that area is wrecked and they would be easier to round up after the steam is gone out of them, instead of they wrecking one area then driving them into another area to wreck. I have no idea of public order tactics and am asking out of interest and a lack of knowledge.
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#77
Update: Has now spread to Liverpool according to Sky.
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#78
This exactly what I was saying desperate times call for desperate measures. Allow officers to deal with these scrots efficently and effectively. If that means beating them into submission than so be it.

BB normal PO tactics are to try and coral the rioters but that depends when the disturbance in one or adjacent locations. The problem at the minute is that there are so many disturbances in so many locations it is not logistically possible to link up with the amount of officers available.

To me the laughable thing is that there will be a commission of enquiry into the police handling of the situation yet those who engaged in the violence will go to court, free legal aid and maybe a susp sentence. But a police officer who made a wrong choice will be hauled across the coals.
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#79
Cheers mate, i was just interested in what would be the normal tactics. I can see that this is not a normal riot situation.
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#80
Ah no bother BB there are different tactics for dealing with various situations, but London is just off the scale.
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