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Revenue Commissioners Garda with a tax demand of €12.4 million
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Anyone else think this is alot of crap, at least shatter talking about garda resource...but will he do anything about it? i dont think so....

COMMITTEE: AGEING GARDA vehicles, some of which have more than 300,000km on the clock, pose safety and insurance issues for gardaí, Minister for Justice Alan Shatter has told a Dáil committee.

Mr Shatter also confirmed the Revenue Commissioners had presented the Garda with a tax demand of €12.4 million in respect of its corporate liability for PAYE and PRSI on a range of Garda allowances. The allowances paid to gardaí, alongside salaries,include items such as boots, uniform, plain clothes and detective allowances.

Addressing the Dáil Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality yesterday, Mr Shatter said the cost of running the Garda had been traditionally underestimated by his department.

For example, he said, the cost of running the Garda vehicle fleet was currently €24 million per year. But the figure provided in last year’s budget was just €12 million. While he said some Garda cars with more than 300,000km on the clock were “in good nick”, there was “an insurance risk even if the cars are well maintained”.

Mr Shatter pointed out the imperative was to ensure cars were safe and that they fulfilled the needs of the Garda. But he said funding was limited. “I am going to look at that but I don’t know if you can resolve it,” he said.

He said the cost of the visit of Queen Elizabeth and President Obama was €36 million, which included payroll costs of €28.5 million, of which overtime accounted for almost €24 million. Travel and subsistence payments cost €3 million, specialist equipment and clothing €1.5 million, and other non-payroll expenditure almost €3 million.

But Mr Shatter said there would be a substantial return to the exchequer of more in the payroll costs, through taxation. He also revealed the tax demand for Garda allowances – such as boots, uniform and detective allowances – would be a circular payment with the money “going back to the exchequer immediately, in the form of a payment to the Revenue Commissioners”.

Mr Shatter said the situation arose following a Revenue determination that the Garda allowances were taxable. From January next gardaí will be taxed individually on the allowances, he said.

The additional costs associated with the visits of the heads of state, combined with the tax demand, exceeded the Garda’s overall budget by some €27.4 million, he said. But Mr Shatter said the figures were more of a “technical accounting exercise to reallocate budgets between certain subheads” and “did not require any additional funding”.

Mr Shatter paid tribute to the Garda authorities, who he said had been instrumental in successive reductions in serious crime and road fatalities.
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(02-12-2011, 08:53 PM)pogan Wrote: But Mr Shatter said there would be a substantial return to the exchequer of more in the payroll costs, through taxation. He also revealed the tax demand for Garda allowances – such as boots, uniform and detective allowances – would be a circular payment with the money “going back to the exchequer immediately, in the form of a payment to the Revenue Commissioners”.

Mr Shatter said the situation arose following a Revenue determination that the Garda allowances were taxable. From January next gardaí will be taxed individually on the allowances, he said.

So next step will be having to pay tax on our equipment !

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#3
I can't stand this man. Some amount of shite talk
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#4
a load of 146
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#5
What a waste of money, rev comms send AGS a bill, who pay it to rev comms, for it to go in circles back into the exchequer.

Lads just check out RE: Uniforms I know we get tax credits if were supplied a uniform but have to launder it ourselves, not sure if its just for health care staff but worth checking out.

As for boots, they're classed as PPE so you shouldnt be taxed on them surely
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(03-12-2011, 01:56 AM)theSmurse Wrote: As for boots, they're classed as PPE so you shouldnt be taxed on them surely

Thats a loophole,official PPE is issued to you not purchased by you. In order to be tax exempt it must be issued.

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#7
we do get issued the boots now, shite boots but still boots. I think the allowence is for the upkeep of them
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Those who can't do, teach.

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#8
Is there anything else that Shatter and co. can bleed from the force at this stage? I can understand why it was said recently that he is right on course to becoming one of the most unpopular ministers yet. Some cars with 300,000 km are 'in good nick'?!? This is so out of touch with reality that it beggars belief. I'd like to know what duties these vehicles are used for and in which districts. It would be laughable if it werent such a seroius issue. We will soon be riding donkies to calls by the looks of it. And you can be damn sure they would be a great deal safer and more efficient than some of the white buckets of dung being driven around at the moment. Vehicles with this amount of mileage are neither suitable nor safe for Garda work and they are also highly inefficient. Case in point; €960 just to service a regularly serviced 2006 Toyota Avensis with 240k on the clock. I hate to say this but there is every likelihood that there will be a serious incident involving one of these bangers yet and with such a high number of untrained drivers on chiefs permission in the force at present it is a question of when not if.
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(02-12-2011, 08:53 PM)pogan Wrote: While he said some Garda cars with more than 300,000km on the clock were “in good nick”,

Then let him use one as his ministerial car and we will see how good of a nick they are in. Smart f***er.

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vidar Wrote:we do get issued the boots now, shite boots but still boots. I think the allowence is for the upkeep of them

I actually like the Hiax, I find them very comfortable. Shatter is still an idiot though!!
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(03-12-2011, 08:09 PM)Tactimule Wrote: I actually like the Hiax, I find them very comfortable. Shatter is still an idiot though!!

I like the hiax too. The shoes are only fit for the station though.
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#12
Short memories havnt they? Lets hope it doesn't come to this again because i know Gda. Harmons family, they're still in bits to this day
Quote:Family of garda calls for better resources
Updated: 22:02, Thursday, 25 November 2004


The family of a garda, who died when the garda car he was driving crashed into metal lamppost, has called for better resources for the Garda Síochána.


6.1 News: Sinead Crowley reports on the appeal from the Harmon family after they secured a €60,000 settlement from the State after Garda Gareth Harmon died in a car accident in pursuit of a stolen vehicle

The family of a garda, who died when the garda car he was driving crashed into metal lamppost, has called for better resources for the Garda Síochána.
The family of 29-year-old Garda Gareth Harmon described the vehicle as substandard.
Garda Harmon and a colleague, Garda Conor Griffin, were following a stolen vehicle when the accident happened at Glasanaon Road in Dublin four years ago.
Counsel for the family said the vehicle was totally and utterly unsuitable for the type of pursuit it was engaged in.
It was claimed that Garda Harmon had been permitted to use a vehicle which was not fitted with airbags or other suitable restraints, and that there had been a failure to properly instruct and train him.
The family said they found it hard to accept that Garda Harmon and his colleague died in a ten-year-old, previously crashed, substandard vehicle.
They said they had taken the action against the State to highlight the lack of training and resources within the garda organisation.
Garda Harmon's family made the comments after the High Court approved a settlement of €60,000 in their favour.
Approving the settlement, Mr Justice Johnson said it was not acceptable that 'these young men who lay down their lives every day to protect ordinary citizens should not be given the best equipment and training'.
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(03-12-2011, 08:37 PM)gdamedic Wrote: I like the hiax too. The shoes are only fit for the station though.

I prefer 5.11 boots, really comfy. Had a pair of ATAC shields that lasted me 2 yrs, bout a second pair recently and still love them.
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(03-12-2011, 09:43 PM)theSmurse Wrote: Short memories havnt they? Lets hope it doesn't come to this again because i know Gda. Harmons family, they're still in bits to this day

I recall this incident very well from the summer of 2000. I am absolutely sick to my stomach to read about the settlement given to this poor man's family, as I'm sure many people like me were unaware of this. What is really troubling, apart from the paltry 'value' that the state placed on this promising young Garda's life, is that very little has actually changed since this incident if you look at it closely. Yes, there is now an NCT test for vehicles, but there are still too many untrained drivers and there are currently too many vehicles that are unfit for purpose.
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