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Blood bikes
#41
As Florence said, blue light haze��.I've seen Vols drive in a ?spinal on blues, and then drive back on blues because the event is stopped because no medical cover.

Equally I see our own lads using blues when there's no need either.

There are over 20 of us in our station and NONE have ever had a driving course��straight from the school to driving on blues. New entrants get the course alright.
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#42
X that's changing. Lads from our station have started doing this course. We did one back in the day in 2002. Back then it was only 1 very intensive week done by ROSPA gold standard instructors.
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#43
(30-01-2014, 10:06 PM)irish medic Wrote: X that's changing. Lads from our station have started doing this course. We did one back in the day in 2002. Back then it was only 1 very intensive week done by ROSPA gold standard instructors.


Another reason all Blood Bike riders should be "RoSPA" certified and not so called AON2 class, which is nothing more then a glorified bike safe spin.
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#44
AON grade 2 in my opinion is not an advanced motorcycle qualification. It's just an insurance assessment.
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#45
(30-01-2014, 01:17 AM)cryan Wrote:
(29-01-2014, 11:44 PM)Blackbolt Wrote: Bloody hell. I never actually realised that there were untrained drivers/riders driving under blues

We are RoSPA trained/qualified. From what I've heard from someone who looks after the insurance side of things, the HSE bikes only have to meet a grade 2 with their internal bit of blues training on top.

Given the lack of exemptions and rare need for blues, the RoSPA and common sense serve us well enough, until an official course is available.


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#46
(31-01-2014, 08:38 AM)irish medic Wrote: NAS MRU are trained by the Dublin Castle instructors

Kinda right, trained by ex members of the traffic school whom were based mainly in the Park

The current driving course is also been ran by a company consisting mainly of ex members of Templemore driving school.

The EHB area all did a 2 week intermediate driving course approximately 6 years ago. Didn't cover blue light use and the course was done in a minibus but it was a course
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#47
(30-01-2014, 01:17 AM)cryan Wrote:
(29-01-2014, 11:44 PM)Blackbolt Wrote: Bloody hell. I never actually realised that there were untrained drivers/riders driving under blues

We are RoSPA trained/qualified. From what I've heard from someone who looks after the insurance side of things, the HSE bikes only have to meet a grade 2 with their internal bit of blues training on top.

Given the lack of exemptions and rare need for blues, the RoSPA and common sense serve us well enough, until an official course is available.


On your website it states that RoSPA or AON 2 is the qualification accepted so logic would say that not all are RoSPA. Therefore would it be fair to say that it is misleading to say ye are RoSPA trained when some are only AON 2.

Also there is no need for a BLT course as there are no exempitions for you in respect it road traffic act.
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#48
(06-02-2014, 08:53 AM)Not a mule Wrote:
(30-01-2014, 01:17 AM)cryan Wrote:
(29-01-2014, 11:44 PM)Blackbolt Wrote: Bloody hell. I never actually realised that there were untrained drivers/riders driving under blues

We are RoSPA trained/qualified. From what I've heard from someone who looks after the insurance side of things, the HSE bikes only have to meet a grade 2 with their internal bit of blues training on top.

Given the lack of exemptions and rare need for blues, the RoSPA and common sense serve us well enough, until an official course is available.


On your website it states that RoSPA or AON 2 is the qualification accepted so logic would say that not all are RoSPA. Therefore would it be fair to say that it is misleading to say ye are RoSPA trained when some are only AON 2.

Also there is no need for a BLT course as there are no exempitions for you in respect it road traffic act.

The aon2 is done away with now as far as I'm aware. That was just a stop gap to get us running. The site needs to be updated.

Technically you are right but also wrong there. We can use blues but can't treat traffic lights as a yeild or exceed speed limits.
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#49
(06-02-2014, 09:02 AM)cryan Wrote:
(06-02-2014, 08:53 AM)Not a mule Wrote:
(30-01-2014, 01:17 AM)cryan Wrote:
(29-01-2014, 11:44 PM)Blackbolt Wrote: Bloody hell. I never actually realised that there were untrained drivers/riders driving under blues

We are RoSPA trained/qualified. From what I've heard from someone who looks after the insurance side of things, the HSE bikes only have to meet a grade 2 with their internal bit of blues training on top.

Given the lack of exemptions and rare need for blues, the RoSPA and common sense serve us well enough, until an official course is available.


On your website it states that RoSPA or AON 2 is the qualification accepted so logic would say that not all are RoSPA. Therefore would it be fair to say that it is misleading to say ye are RoSPA trained when some are only AON 2.

Also there is no need for a BLT course as there are no exempitions for you in respect it road traffic act.

The aon2 is done away with now as far as I'm aware. That was just a stop gap to get us running. The site needs to be updated.

Technically you are right but also wrong there. We can use blues but can't treat traffic lights as a yeild or exceed speed limits.


I'm on the side of you not needing blues either. They offer no protection from the RTA as shown by prosecutions of members of the emergency services.
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#50
Blues will greatly assist in filtering more effectively trough traffic, and need to be used sensibly. Blood bikes are doing a great service and do carry urgent items. Most groups have RoSPA as the standard but that AON 2 does not wash as it's imperative that the cargo gets from A to B.

I fully support the work of the blood bikes and thank them for their work.
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#51
(06-02-2014, 06:15 PM)Not a mule Wrote: Blues will greatly assist in filtering more effectively trough traffic, and need to be used sensibly. Blood bikes are doing a great service and do carry urgent items. Most groups have RoSPA as the standard but that AON 2 does not wash as it's imperative that the cargo gets from A to B.

I fully support the work of the blood bikes and thank them for their work.


I'm not knocking the work that they do. I just don't see the need for them to have blues. The operate after hours and traffic is generally lighter then. They are not really going to encounter the heavy traffic that would require the use of blues. And the fact they have no exemption from the RTA negates there use.
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#52
How many of the transports are time critical that its down to minutes for delivery but in reality once it gets there within the hour is suffice?
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#53
How far would blood deliveries be going?
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#54
We need a revision of road traffic act regarding blues.....look at army EOD. A large scania truck covered in blues, the infantry escort in the ffr have a magnetic blue led lightbar too.....but no exemptions and need a garda escort. Ludicrous
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#55
AFAIK it's blood samples that are most time critical as results are needed to be analysed for surgery. Human donor milk is also time critical and is life saving. Like EOD blood bikes can avail of an AGS escort in extreme circumstances.
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#56
But surely if they were to avail of a Garda escort it would be easier to put the package in the Garda car and save fuel
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#57
(06-02-2014, 09:14 PM)EMTeabreak Wrote: We need a revision of road traffic act regarding blues.....look at army EOD. A large scania truck covered in blues, the infantry escort in the ffr have a magnetic blue led lightbar too.....but no exemptions and need a garda escort. Ludicrous

The escort is because they are acting as an aid to the Civil Power. More than just a RTA exemption.

(06-02-2014, 09:40 PM)Not a mule Wrote: AFAIK it's blood samples that are most time critical as results are needed to be analysed for surgery. Human donor milk is also time critical and is life saving. Like EOD blood bikes can avail of an AGS escort in extreme circumstances.


And that's my point. Why do they need blues if an urgent run has us involved?
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#58
I still would hazard a guess that they could spare 10 mins meaning a motorbike without blues would get there as quick as necessary
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#59
10 minutes is a long time to loose, and the Gardai are stretched enough as it is (no disrespect).
Also someone asked how far stuff comes. Well routinely the whole length of the country is the answer, Galway-Dublin, Limerick-Dublin and from the only milk bank on the island in Enniskellin to every maternity unit in the country.
There is a real need for this service and it's great that the people of Ireland are supporting it.
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#60
I'm not knocking the service I think it's a great idea to save money. But I don't see the need for blue lights. I was driving behind a blood bike training session a while back and the marked bikes had cruise lights on. All they did was cause other drivers to jam on the brakes thinking there was Gardai ahead
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