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Its that time of year again, when we are getting ready for Christmas, family and Santa. Sadly not everyone will be looking forward with anticipation, instead simple hoping for food, warmth or a small present. Thankfully there are goups like 'Little Blue Heroes' and 'Barnados' out there. Both help the youngest and most vulnerable in society and this Christmas we ask that you join us in making a donation at https://www.littleblueheroes.org/donate/ or https://www.barnardos.ie/christmas


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(06-02-2014, 10:23 PM)Not a mule Wrote: 10 minutes is a long time to loose, and the Gardai are stretched enough as it is (no disrespect).
Also someone asked how far stuff comes. Well routinely the whole length of the country is the answer, Galway-Dublin, Limerick-Dublin and from the only milk bank on the island in Enniskellin to every maternity unit in the country.
There is a real need for this service and it's great that the people of Ireland are supporting it.


Nobody is knocking the service, just the 'need for blue lights'. This service was provided before without the blue lights. Why the need now? Is it just to look cool?
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#62
Far from been against the service I have given some support to it and have a friend that has ridden for it.

My issue is the need for the blue lights, don't believe they are needed
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#63
Have to agree with the lads above, great service and very needed and appreciated but no need for blues.
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#64
Prison service also have blues, and AFAIK so does GSOC and I am certain I seen a comreg jeep also with blues.
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#65
Blues would be for extream cases. Once in a blue moon(pun not intended) would they be needed. We could pick up an urgent job that gets upgraded to emergency while we are enroute.

Personally I don't like the idea of us having them without being given official training from a government approved body. But understand the reason for them being legislated for and fitted to our bikes.

As I have said before batternberg is enough for me.
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#66
(07-02-2014, 01:00 AM)Not a mule Wrote: Prison service also have blues, and AFAIK so does GSOC and I am certain I seen a comreg jeep also with blues.

Prison service have blues for doing high risk transfers, and would usually have AGS with them on those runs.

GSOC have as much for blue lights on their cars as I would on a shopping trolley
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#67
(07-02-2014, 01:07 AM)cryan Wrote: Blues would be for extream cases. Once in a blue moon(pun not intended) would they be needed. We could pick up an urgent job that gets upgraded to emergency while we are enroute.

But how urgent is that? Like what makes it an urgent case?
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#68
The Rospa thing, does that teach blue light driving?
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#69
(07-02-2014, 01:12 AM)thehawk Wrote:
(07-02-2014, 01:07 AM)cryan Wrote: Blues would be for extream cases. Once in a blue moon(pun not intended) would they be needed. We could pick up an urgent job that gets upgraded to emergency while we are enroute.

But how urgent is that? Like what makes it an urgent case?

We have three levels of job, non urgent, urgent and emergency (blues job). Most of our jobs are urgent.

The hospital tells us the level.
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(07-02-2014, 01:13 AM)thehawk Wrote: The Rospa thing, does that teach blue light driving?

No, it teaches the advanced system of motorcycle control, which is one of the points I have been trying to make throughout this thread. This is another half measure by the government in legislation. There is no official blues course in this country. That needs to change.
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#71
Is EFAD not an official blue light driving course?
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#72
(07-02-2014, 01:24 AM)Blackbolt Wrote: Is EFAD not an official blue light driving course?

Never heard of it? Is it A ). state approved? B ). Available to all services with rta blue light legislation?
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(07-02-2014, 01:19 AM)cryan Wrote:
(07-02-2014, 01:13 AM)thehawk Wrote: The Rospa thing, does that teach blue light driving?

No, it teaches the advanced system of motorcycle control, which is one of the points I have been trying to make throughout this thread. This is another half measure by the government in legislation. There is no official blues course in this country. That needs to change.


According to Institute of advanced motoring's website they are qualified to provide blue light training.
For a person who can't drive above the speed limit you don't need it.
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(07-02-2014, 01:26 AM)cryan Wrote:
(07-02-2014, 01:24 AM)Blackbolt Wrote: Is EFAD not an official blue light driving course?

Never heard of it? Is it A ). state approved? B ). Available to all services with rta blue light legislation?


A yes

B No, its fire service
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#75
(07-02-2014, 01:27 AM)Not a mule Wrote:
(07-02-2014, 01:19 AM)cryan Wrote:
(07-02-2014, 01:13 AM)thehawk Wrote: The Rospa thing, does that teach blue light driving?

No, it teaches the advanced system of motorcycle control, which is one of the points I have been trying to make throughout this thread. This is another half measure by the government in legislation. There is no official blues course in this country. That needs to change.


According to Institute of advanced motoring's website they are qualified to provide blue light training.
For a person who can't drive above the speed limit you don't need it.

If your driving on blue lights of course you need the training, regardless if your allowed break speed limits.
Those who can, do.

Those who can't do, teach.

Those who can't do or teach....... Manage!
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#76
What would you be trained for exactly?
Since not going outside RTA what training would be needed? Compliance with RTA in my opinion is not weaving in and out of traffic except for sensible filtering which is included in RoSPA.
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#77
The effect blues have on other road users, for example as ye can't break lights drivers may be confused if they pull out of the way and then ye sit at the light, how to approach in a manner that won't cause other drivers to panic that sort of thing. I admire ye for the job but can not see any reason ye need blues. While asking what is the point of having the cruise light setting on the blues?

On filtering, there are case of people done for dangerous driving for filtering, now I'm a biker too so I don't knock it entirely, but filtering on blues is extremely dangerous!
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Those who can't do, teach.

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#78
(07-02-2014, 01:43 AM)Not a mule Wrote: What would you be trained for exactly?
Since not going outside RTA what training would be needed? Compliance with RTA in my opinion is not weaving in and out of traffic except for sensible filtering which is included in RoSPA.

The rare occasions were we are told by a garda to treat reds as yeild. Or are under escort. I think this has happened a couple of times supprisingly enough when the hospital has contacted the gards to let them know.

Personally if I'm put in that situation I want the correct training on how to deal with it.

I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
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(07-02-2014, 01:43 AM)Not a mule Wrote: What would you be trained for exactly?


I will give you a simple one from EFAD.

What tone to use in what situation and why.
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#80
Valid point Vidar!
Cryan advance drive have emergency driver courses.
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